"Discussion
- Complexes & Overtraining” (orginally published at
workingclassfitness.blogspot.com)
There was some good dialogue over at mma.tv. It started with
the posting of a circuit workout done by former UFC Welterweight
Champion George St. Pierre. Here was the workout posted:
GSP circuit workout:
In his video, He claims he does this full workout 2-3 times
a week, intermixed with fight training every day, as well as
HIIT sprints 2x/wk. All circuits are 4X10, 1 min active rest
between each.
Chest:
Bench Presses
Swiss ball pushups
Dumbell flys
Bent over barbell rows
Legs:
Barbell squats
Dumbell lunges (5 forward, 5 backward)
Swiss ball leg extensions
Squat jumps (jumps as high as he can)
Core:
Circular back extensions
Twisting double crunches
Bent dumbbell rows (10 each side)
Swiss ball crunches
Shoulders/Arms:
Seated dumbbell presses
Barbell Clean & Press
Barbell bicep curls
Barbell tricep extensions
Enjoy! Train hard!
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After that, I posted my thoughts and was asked subsequent questions,
which led into the topic of overtraining. The questions will
be in italics and my responses in bold.
If you decide to do something like this, just be sure
to start off with VERY light weights - you'll burn yourself
out in a hurry if not. Martin Rooney does complexes similar
to this (as opposed to Randy's circuit which is more along the
lines of a Javorek complex) with the guys at Renzo's, and IIRC,
they'll do five rounds with only up to 75 lbs. or so...
wiggy, what are the pros/cons to this type of circuit as
opposed to a javorek complex? is this circuit geared more towards
explosiveness/speed as opposed to strength?
The difference between this type of complex/circuit
and the Team Quest/Randy/Javorek type complexes is that these
involve more "traditional" (for lack of a better term)
type exercises. While TQ/Javorek complexes are made up of primarily
squat/lunge variations, vertical pulling exercises, and the
occasional vertical push, these will have more horizontal plane
movements, more isolation exercises (curls, triceps, etc.),
etc.
Javorek type complexes (depending on exactly which
exercises are chosen) can generally be done with a little more
weight. The limiting factor (as far as weight goes) in these
type of circuits is your weakest exercise. In a Javorek type
complex, it's usually an upright row. Here on the other hand,
it might be a curl or the like.
I wouldn't say *any* of these types of programs are
for strength, in that you have to use such light (comparitvely
overall) loads to complete them. Javoreks are good for overall
body conditioning, muscular/strength endurance, as well as cardiovascular
fitness. Rooney's complexes are generally longer in that they
consist of more exercises, though with the lighter weights,
the overall work (in terms of pounds lifted) will probably be
pretty close to a Javorek complex. GSP's circuit (as listed)
would have it's main benefit in specific muscular endurance
(as you're putting so much training at one time into specific
muscle groups rather than training the entire body).
Personally, while GSP's program obviously works great
for him, and I wouldn't tell him to change it, for us regular
folk, I'd recommend a Rooney or Javorek type of complex instead.
In my Program #1 of "Working Class Fitness - The
Programs", I actually designed a good overall strength/power
program combined with a good set of complexes that are (what
I feel) the best of both worlds. For what that's worth...
aren't you typically suppposed to just work out each major
muscle group once a week?
^^Too broad of a question. You have to take into account
what is the goal of training, type of training being used, the
experience of the trainee, etc.
It's an extreme example, but Bulgarian Olympic lifters are known
to workout up to 3x/day with near maximal loads, 4-6 days/week.
And they're some of the best O-lifters in the world. Of course
they've been in a nationalized training program forever, are
almost assuredly (sp?) "enhanced" etc., but just throwing
it out there...
I see. I just keep getting told that overtraining is worse
than undertraining and that your muscles generally need at least
48 hours to rest between workouts. Obviously everyone is different
and there are exceptions, but I always believed this was the
general rule for any type of weightlifting.
While overtraining is a valid condition, I wouldn't
worry about it as much unless you're doing a lot of work overall
(complete strength program, conditioning, MMA a few times/week,
etc.).
Overtraining was pushed really hard back in the '80s
by the supplement industry in the bodybuilding magazines. They
were pushing very volume-heavy training routines that “regular
folks” couldn’t really make gains on. When they
did start overtraining, instead of just dropping training volume,
it was b/c the trainee wasn’t recovering. And how do you
recover better/quicker? By taking XYZ supplement.
For many of us, overtraining is more a case of resting/recovering
too little (which can be affected by not just training volume,
but lack of sleep, high stress lifestyles, etc. – I actually
wrote about this in my own training recently on my blog) rather
than training too much.
In fact, overtraining some is actually good for you.
Push into the basic area of overtraining a little, then backoff.
This will train your body to be able to handle more work. When
overtraining becomes a real problem is when you stay in that
overtrained state for a continued period of time…
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